Chemical Trails found in Bristol Sky

by depot Tue Aug 16, 2005 17:37

The exhaust from a jet engine is mostly water and CO2. The temperature of the air at 30,000 feet is -60c. This means that the water and much of the co2 forms crystals of ice and dry ice. The co2 slowly sublimes but the ice crystals dont, hence the trails linger.

This chemtrail thing really is a lot of pants, unless you can show evidencve that huge commercial planes are flying with tanks of 'stuff' to whatever to us.... i am sorry I just cant imagine what you are alluding to, what is this evil stuff 'they' are spraying and what is it alledged to be doing?

Do tell.

by pixie - underground Tue Aug 16, 2005 20:54 pixie2002 at hotmail dot com

............mebbe we should be worrying about both ends of those pesky flying MACHINES, its not just what comes out of their exhaust pipes, what about the oxygen which goes in the front of the engines?

they aint for flying poor people about are they?

by pixie Tue Aug 16, 2005 20:58 pixie2002 at hotmail dot com

after 9/11 when US skies were totally clear of air-traffic, somebody, I forget who, did some serious research which showed significant temperature changes over north amerika, too busy to do the links thingy here and now sorry!

by Wingman Tue Aug 16, 2005 21:34

That's what I want to know.

by thegreat1 Tue Aug 16, 2005 22:23 pgmattino at yahoo dot co dot uk

Have you ever noticed "ICE" crystals that slowly spread out into the atmosphere until a kind of haze appears, which would be more in the style of chemicals being laid. Ice does not behave in this manner.

Also it has been witnessed several times, myself included whereby these trails stop yet the plane will carry on. So unless jet aircraft have become accustomed to switching off their engines periodically, it would suggest that these trails are not being produced from the engine.

I do not know for sure what they are spraying; there are a number of theories, none appear to have been proven. I think in order to understand why and how they could do this you would have to turn your attention to the general working style of the illuminati.

Also it is worth noting that by no means are these commercial jet airlines. They are unmarked white planes. I challenge anyone to identify a jet that lays down a trail which lasts for more than 15mins. That is not to say that in some parts of the world commercial companies are not used for this purpose as they are. There is one witness account that i recently viewed of an engineer who found an unusual tank system with pipes on a jet that was being serviced, yet this system did not show on the planes for the jet. Upon more research into this he found that this was a system used to spray chemicals into the atmosphere. He was advised to cease questioning.

There is a mountain of evidence on the subject, and would really not have taken much for you to have done a little research before commenting.

So i disagree with this as being "a lot of pants".

by thegreat1 Tue Aug 16, 2005 23:18

Have you ever noticed "ICE" crystals that slowly spread out into the atmosphere until a kind of haze appears, which would be more in the style of chemicals being laid. Ice does not behave in this manner.

Also it has been witnessed several times, myself included whereby these trails stop yet the plane will carry on. So unless jet aircraft have become accustomed to switching off their engines periodically, it would suggest that these trails are not being produced from the engine.

I do not know for sure what they are spraying; there are a number of theories, none appear to have been proven. I think in order to understand why and how they could do this you would have to turn your attention to the general working style of the illuminati.

Also it is worth noting that by no means are these commercial jet airlines. They are unmarked white planes. I challenge anyone to identify a jet that lays down a trail which lasts for more than 15mins. That is not to say that in some parts of the world commercial companies are not used for this purpose as they are. There is one witness account that i recently viewed of an engineer who found an unusual tank system with pipes on a jet that was being serviced, yet this system did not show on the planes for the jet. Upon more research into this he found that this was a system used to spray chemicals into the atmosphere. He was advised to cease questioning.

There is a mountain of evidence on the subject, and would really not have taken much for you to have done a little research before commenting.

So i disagree with this as being "a lot of pants".

by illegalsec Wed Aug 17, 2005 20:00

Illuminati?? For fucks sake... and the US of A is spelt with a C, not a K (a freudian slip, methinks)

by JohnE Wed Aug 17, 2005 20:11

I read recently in New Scientist that contrails cause cirrus (hazy) clouds, which inreases global warming. And by flying at a different altitude airplanes could avoid making these clouds.

I found the story again on their website. Her is the link:

by jv Fri Aug 19, 2005 09:06

Here's a good Global Dimming link that pixie mentioned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_prog_summary.shtml

I think it's likely that early scientific research into the phenomena of global dimming may have got sidetracked into conspiracy land, and then gradually morphed over the years into the full blown fruit-loop pseudo science that 'chemtrails' is today.

by pixie Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:04 pixie2002 at hotmail dot com

Too busy at the mo' to do a proper job in a space like this, but I wanna say thanks to JV for following thru and up for "us"

Global dimming (as I understand it) ...... masks the effects of global warming significantly.

Apologies to "illegalsex" for any offense given with my inserting a "K" instead of a "C" into the USA, it was not a freudian slip, Freud had a few problems of HER own!

by thegreat1 Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:22

maybe you would care to explain your theory? It's one thing to say it's nuts it's another to come up with an alternative plausible explaination.

I believe there is an effort to withhold this information from the public and discredit this in any way possible.

I would like some answers, i would like to know how you can explain chemical trails stopping in mid air whilst the plane carries on. All you skeptics seem to ignore the all the facts, and are blinded to what is right there in front of you.

If someone can go through the evidence on chemical trails and then come back to this message with a plausible alternative explaination then i will certainly listen.

Simply stating it's rubbish without offering an alternative is simply pathetic. In my view i would consider it a likely action of someone wishing to discredit this rather valid article.

by Fred Tue Aug 23, 2005 15:05 the_upsetter at hotmail dot com

I am a professional atmospheric scientist (and long-term environmental/political activist) and as far as I can tell this chemtrail stuff is just really embarrassing paranoid bollocks - there are far more pressing things to be concerned about like the CO2 emission from these planes and 'conventional' high altitude exhaust emissions.

It is quite possible that these trails just stop and start - as has been explained rather well above they are all about moisture, condensation, ice etc. The air is not one homogenous substance - go out on your bike of an evening and go and cycle past a river or open space and notice the difference in air temperature? Particularly as we get to autumn notice how mist stops and starts? This is all due to temperature and moisture in the air changing from area to area.

Anyway, don't get me wrong - I don't deny that the government may be quite happy to dump chemicals over civilian populations just to see what happens (see this example in Norwich http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/search/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&itemid=NOED16%20Aug%202005%2013:32:14:810&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=search hmmm url seems to be a bit long maybe just go here and search on Cadmium http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk ) but the chemtrails stuff just makes you sound like a bunch of paranoid freaks - get your basic science sorted or no-one - including/especially the activist community will believe you.

What I find really scary is the chemtrail sites that advocate a good bit of chanting to make the chemicals go away! Now they make your average chemtrail freak sound almost sane
;-)
c.f. http://educate-yourself.org/lte/kimshomerun15apr05.shtml

Whoops - just noticed that that is from the site the first poster recommended!

by Jografer Tue Aug 23, 2005 15:30

... they're called clouds...

by Fred Tue Aug 23, 2005 15:35 the_upsetter at hotmail dot com

I am a professional atmospheric scientist (and long-term environmental/political activist) and as far as I can tell this chemtrail stuff is just really embarrassing paranoid bollocks - there are far more pressing things to be concerned about like the CO2 emission from these planes and 'conventional' high altitude exhaust emissions.

It is quite possible that these trails just stop and start - as has been explained rather well above they are all about moisture, condensation, ice etc. The air is not one homogenous substance - go out on your bike of an evening and go and cycle past a river or open space and notice the difference in air temperature? Particularly as we get to autumn notice how mist stops and starts? This is all due to temperature and moisture in the air changing from area to area.

Anyway, don't get me wrong - I don't deny that the government may be quite happy to dump chemicals over civilian populations just to see what happens (see this example in Norwich http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/search/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&itemid=NOED16%20Aug%202005%2013:32:14:810&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=search - if this link doesn't work just go here http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/ and search for Cadmium ) but the chemtrails stuff just makes you sound like a bunch of paranoid freaks - get your basic science sorted or no-one - including/especially the activist community will believe you.

What I find really scary is the chemtrail sites that advocate a good bit of chanting to make the chemicals go away! Now they make your average chemtrail freak sound almost sane
;-)
c.f. http://educate-yourself.org/lte/kimshomerun15apr05.shtml

Whoops - just noticed that that is from the site the first poster recommended!

by jv Wed Aug 24, 2005 19:24

pixie wrote: "Global dimming (as I understand it) ...... masks the effects of global warming significantly."

Yes, this is the case, by as much as 20%, the dark implications of which is that above the pollution layer global warming has *already* happened.

During the 90's air quality across Europe improved significantly as a result of concerted legislation to clean up. Temperatures across Europe soared. The blue skys witnessed in the few days after 9/11 due to all aircraft being grounded, have become commonplace, along with rapidly increasing temperatures.

The full onset of global warming may now only be stoppable in the immediate term by maintaining the pollution cover. The biggest ever Catch 22 probably possible, and happening *now.*

I also understand that part of the Chemtrails conspiracy is that the pollution is *increasing* global warming, which appears to contradict my feeling that Chemtrails is, in part, a weird pseudo scientific miss mash of various Global dimming related research.

But this is often in the very nature of pseudo scientificconsoiracy theories, as they often contradict the real scientific research that they can be realistically be suggested to have bubbled up out of.

The real science of Global Dimming scares the fuck out of me, as it is here and now and it is a catatrophic condidtion that the elites of Europe at least have begun to wake up to.

Chemtrails is the distraction, and hey, maybe that's the conspiracy. I've seen heard it said many times that maybe right wing think tanks are pumping conspiracy freak theories into our movements to mask the depth and nature of other crises.

Who knows.

by PasserBy Mon Jun 05, 2006 21:49

My theory on this whole matter, whether anyone would care to listen, is that the government is and has been turning a totalitarian regime bent on preventing anyone from free thought. Just look at how brainwashed everything has us.... all television is, is the governments way of controlling what you see and hear. Now that said, these people running the US of A have actually been said to have been behind killing thousands of people at 911 and caused thousands more to lose work. To me anyone saying that those chem trails woven into the clouds completly unnaturally, and in some places perfectly patterned into the sky like checkers, is some under wraps plot by the government to make us all sick so we rely on their massive drug companies (which by the way are the biggest drug dealers in any one of our cities) to make us better when in fact were just putting more chemicals into our body by taking their cure. Well it sounds plenty plausible to me. The fact is were all guinea pigs in a really sick plot, thats supposed to climax in the next few years.

The only way to understand whats going on around you, is to look for information and ask questions, because as much as we'd all love for the information thats handed to us to be this great source of whats going on in the world,it is all manipulated information.

Anyways im off thanks for readin if ya did.....

Oh and to anyone interested... recently ive come across some curious information concerning 911 and American money.... heres the link:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=68541732
Hows this for the new world order.......

by darren - NA Mon Apr 09, 2007 00:14 newdaord at yahoo dot co dot uk

i have recently started photographing these trails, as they are hapening on a daily baisis over the skys in manchester. from my photographs i can not see any windows on the planes eaither. 4 weeks back i saw 6 of these planes flying in formation from north to south at the same altitude and only a couple of hundred meters seperating each plane. some of the paterens remind me of a giant spiders Webb, or a grid formation

in the resurch i have conducted so far i found their may be links links to sugest the poupose of these trails in a documentry on the bbc about Lighting and its dangers, it indirectly revealed some of the secrets behind this spraying (available to see any time on NTL on demand). it shows NASA and the US miltery have the capability to see some amazing things in the clouds concerning electricity, it also revials the effects that chemical have when they polute the clouds,