Hezbollah journalist speaks in Bristol

by Andrew Mon Feb 25, 2008 19:30

I find that hard to believe. What about the many, many photographs of Hezbollah doing Nazi salutes?

Maybe that's something to do with the fact that Mein Kamf is a best seller in the Arab World...

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/pages/6-...g.htm

Arabic edition of Mein Kampf, 2003.

by The Bristol Blogger - The Bristol Blogger Mon Feb 25, 2008 22:11 bristol_citizens at yahoo dot co dot uk

It's probably worth noting the 5 rabbis mentioned as visiting Beirut were part of an obscure religious fundamentalist jewish sect - Neturei Karta - that want to see secular Israel destroyed.
They also attended Ahmadinejad's notorious Holocaust denial conference in 2006 ...

by protestor Mon Feb 25, 2008 23:04

Thanks for info, Bristol Blo, never heard of them before.

by AntiZionist Tue Feb 26, 2008 00:39

Ummm. Are we now defining groups' political ideologies according to how they salute their flag! Odd political method.

The "Nazi" or Roman or Belamy salute has been used by a lot of groups other than the Nazis (Its called the Roman Salute, figure it out). American school kids used to salute the Stars and Stripes with it every morning. It doesn't have the same Nazi associations as it does here in some parts of the world.

It's unfortunate that Hezbollah give the Zionists and racists the chance score petty points like this, but hey. i think they're more interested in defending their country and lives than worrying what photos some keyboard-Zionist in Bristol will drag up.

On Mein Kampf in Arabic. Well it's a European book; therefore all Europeans are Nazi and anti-Semites eh?

These are the petty arguments of the racists in the White House and they don't stand for sh*t.

American Nazi school kids?

by Blindman Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:34

It is not just a salute in isolation. There is the black shirts, the anti-semitism, the cult of the suicide bomber, the promotion of violence, the obssession with propaganda and extremist Islamism all defining the group's ideology.
To claim that in a westernised nation like Lebanon the salute "doesn't have the same Nazi associations as it does here" is willfully blind.

by War=Peace Tue Feb 26, 2008 15:18

AntiZionist - your rather poorly written post seems to suggest that the White House believes that all Europeans are Nazis???

And as for Hezbollah defending their country (Lebanon) - can you explain how calling for the destruction of a neighbouring state, launching rockets at civillian positions, crossing the border and kidnapping soldiers etc is defending Lebanon from Israel? To me it looks rather like deliberate attempts to provoke a military response and start an armed conflict. Which funnily enough is exactly what they say they believe in.

Does creating a war in Lebanon improve the situation of the Palestinian people? Almost certainly not. All it does is reinforce the racism between Israelis and Palestinians.

Regarding links between Nazism and the Islamic clerics in the Middle East look no further than the former Grand Mufti (cheif cleric) of Jersalem Mohammed Amin Al-Husayni. During WW2 Al-Husayni was a close ally of Adolf Hitler and according to Hannah Arendt 'The Grand Mufti's connections with the Nazis during the war were not secret; he had hoped they would help him in the implementation of some final solution in the Near East'. Funnily enough his policies are in many ways similar to those of groups such as Hezbollah.

According to the article by STW however, 'Hizbullah is a legitimate resistance group that is fighting to regain occupied land like the Shebaa Farms.' Hezbollah is a Lebanese paramilitary. The Shebaa Farms according to the UN were part of Syria. According to Kofi Annan

' On 15 May 2000, the United Nations received a map, dated 1966, from the Government of Lebanon which reflected the Government's position that these farmlands were located in Lebanon. However, the United Nations is in possession of 10 other maps issued after 1966 by various Lebanese government institutions, including the Ministry of Defense and the army, all of which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic. The United Nations has also examined six maps issued by the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic, including three maps since 1966, which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic."[35]

In a June 18, 2000 statement, the Security Council noted that Israel and Lebanon had confirmed to the Secretary General, that identification of the withdrawal line was solely the responsibility of the UN and that both sides would respect the line as identified. Moreover, the Security Council took note, "with serious concern," of reports of violations - by Hezbollah[38] - that had occurred since June 16, 2000, and called upon the parties to respect the line drawn by the United Nations.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_Farms

STW were rightly incensed by the US and UK's disregard of the UN when they went to war in Iraq. Equally they quite rightly frequently decry Israel's continued defiance of the UN. However it would appear that for groups such as Hezbollah to do the same thing is a position the Stop This War and Start Another One Coalition fully endorses.

...and they wonder why the mass support the anti-war movement had 5 years ago has dissipated.

by Andrew Tue Feb 26, 2008 21:38

Your shipment of fail has arrived, AntiZionist - the Bellamy salute was phased out in 1942 because of it's similarity to the Nazi salute.

by Bristol Dirt Bag Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:25

War=Peace has hit the nail on the head.

Anyone who doubts the virulent anti-Jewish (as opposed to anti - zionist) feeling that exists in the Arab word could do a lot worse than check out the highly popular Egyptian soap opera "Horseman Without a Horse". One of the central themes is the way in which a group of Jewish Zionists are struggling to keep their plan for world domination - The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion - secret from the rest of the world's population. The Egyptian government (remember, this is a country that is at peace with Israel) claimed that the series was not anti-semitic, and accused the Israeli and American governments (both complained about the content) of trying to dictate Egyptian telivision viewing?!?!

I fear that until Arab governments tackle the hatred of Jews that is so strong in their countries, then there will be no chance for a meaningful and lasting peace. I had a conversation with one SWP / Respect person who told me that "The Israelis are the ruling class and the Palestinians are working class" - they really believed that it was that simple.There have been grave wrongs committed by both sides in the Israeli / Palestinian conflict and to demonise one side whilst sanctifying the other will do nothing to help anyone in the long run. I suspect that at some point in the not too distant future certain embarrassed cadres of the left will be trying to rewrite history and pretend that it wasn't them who offered support to some extreme right wing, homophobic, Arab nationalists.

by The Bristol Blogger - The Bristol Blogger Wed Feb 27, 2008 13:03 bristol_citizens at yahoo dot co dot uk

And while we're on the subject of television series let's not forget that charming little Syrian-made number 'Diaspora' (Ash Shatat) shown on Hezbollah's Al Manar TV station. The station that by a remarkable coincidence Mousawi, before he became the editor of Al Intiqad the publication "linked to Hezbollah", used to work for.

'Diaspora' was a 30 part drama series claiming to tell the story of Zionism from 1812 to the establishment of the state of Israel. Here's the opening text from the series that sets the scene:

"Two thousand years ago the Jewish Rabbis established an international government aiming at maintaining the world under its control and suppressing it under the Talmudic commands, and totally isolating them from all of the people.

Then the Jews started to incite wars and conflicts, while those countries disclaimed them. They falsely pretended to be persecuted, awaiting their savior, the Messiah, who willterminate the revenge against the Goyim that their God, Jehovah, started.

In the beginning of the 19th century, the international government decided to increase the conspiracies and the Jewish international secret government was established, headed by Amschel Rothschild."

Obviously based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion it depicts all the old anti-semitic chestnuts about secretive global Jewish cabals and even included the "blood libel".

Here's a brief transcript of that:

[Al Manar transcript starts here]

Title: Jews take blood from Christian child for Passover matzo.

Scene I: Two men talking.

Rabbi (speaking to a young man seated next to him) : We have a task from the leadership. We need the blood of a Christian child before Passover for matzo.

Scene II: Dimly lit hallway. Rabbi with young man behind him. A third man enters dragging a child.

Christian child: Nathan save me!

Nathan: Don't be afraid.

Rabbi nods to the young man who nods to Nathan. Nathan forces the child down onto the floor and cuts his throat. Someone catches the blood in a bowl.

Scene III: Rabbi and young man standing, eating matzo. While chewing they nod to one another as if to say, "We have done what we need to do. Now we have our reward."