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I'm no good at science

category south west | the environment | opinion/analysis author Saturday August 02, 2008 21:54author by boyd Report this post to the editors

But I know some people who are

Everytime a climate change argument starts on Bristol Indymedia it gets lost in volleys of jargon and flaming rebuttals of the evidence of both sides. This is a classic internet problem, and the reason why face-to-face communication is always preferable.

If you go to the climate camp in Kingsnorth this week you will be able to talk to people who know a lot about the subject and strongly believe that we should act NOW and make BIG changes.

I'm not very good at science.

There. I said it. I got an E in chemistry back when an E meant 'get your sorry ass out of my classroom".

But that doesn't mean you can baffle me with figures, quotes, reports on doubts etc.etc, tons of internet links into contested articles and controverisal reports.

Because I can use the internet too. In the outside world, if I was looking for a straight answer on a scientific study, I would ask friends who had more interest in the subject than me. I did that, and they told me, in the UK, your best bet is the Royal Society.

Here's a link to their (uncontested) wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_society

It opens:
"The Royal Society of London for the Improvement of Natural Knowledge, known simply as The Royal Society, is a learned society for science that was founded in 1660 and is the oldest such society still in existence. Although a voluntary body, it serves as the academy of sciences of the United Kingdom (in which role it receives £40 million annually from the UK Government).[citation needed] The Royal Society is a member organization of the Science Council."

Its motto comes from a quote - "Not compelled to swear to any master's words" - which I like so much I may very well start using it as my own motto.

In March 2005 it published a paper called "A guide to facts and fictions about climate change"

Here's a link to it
http://royalsociety.org/downloaddoc.asp?id=1630

It's a long read but very worthwhile, as I for one believe that it is a credible source of information.

Here's the starting paragraphs

"It has become fashionable in some parts of the UK media to portray the scientific evidence that has been collected about climate change and the impact of greenhouse gas emissions from human activities as an exaggeration. Some articles have claimed that scientists are ignoring uncertainties in our understanding of the climate and the factors that affect it.

Some have questioned the motives of the scientists who have presented the most authoritative assessments of the science of climate change, claiming that they have a vested interest in ‘playing up’ the potential effects that climate change is likely to have.

This document examines twelve misleading arguments (presented in bold typeface) put forward by the opponents of urgent action on climate change and highlights the scientific evidence that exposes their flaws."

It then goes on to 'EXPOSE THE FLAWS' in 12 'MISLEADING' arguments, all of which readers of Bristol Indymedia will be familiar with:
1. The IPCC has become too politicised and does not accurately reflectthe wide range of views within the scientific community.
2. Many scientists do not think that climate change is a problem. Some scientists have signed petitions stating that climate change is not a problem.
3. There is little evidence that global warming is happening or, if it is happening, it is not very much. Some parts of the world are actually becoming cooler.
4. The Earth is getting hotter, but not because of emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities.
5. There is no reliable way of predicting how temperatures will change in the future. The climate is so complex that it is hard to predict what might happen
6. Scientists have been exaggerating the evidence by claiming that individual extreme weather events have been caused by climate change.
7. There is conflicting evidence about whether the ice at the poles is melting and, in fact, it is actually becoming thicker in Antarctica.
8. There is little evidence of a rise in sea level due to global warming. There is no correlation between rises in climate temperature and sea levels.
9, Even if climate change is occurring, it won’t be that dangerous.Abrupt climate change is just another scare story.
10. There is no evidence that climate change will be bad for people. In fact, warmer weather will actually be good for those people who live in cold countries.
11. There are too many uncertainties about climate change and its impacts to justify taking action. It would be better to wait until we are more certain about climate change before acting.
12. The Kyoto Protocol is a waste of time because the United States will not ratify it. (!)

So, based on what i have read, I think its worth other people reading it, and using that as a way to make their minds up on what to do about the problem. I hope for many that includes going to the climate camp: in the face of a concerted attempt to muddy the waters, its important that we all show that we see climate change as a big problem, and that we want to do something about it.

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   2005? - what about the latest data?     Sam    Sun Aug 03, 2008 09:00 
   It used to so be good here     snoopy    Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:26 
   Don't let Sam mislead you...     nickleberry    Sun Aug 03, 2008 13:19 
   Thanks mate.     Mell O    Sun Aug 03, 2008 13:31 
   Usual responce     Ab    Mon Aug 04, 2008 08:45 
   nobodys mentor or uncle     dances with trolls    Mon Aug 04, 2008 08:54 
   What the?     FTwit    Mon Aug 04, 2008 09:06 
   Dont' be distracted     nickleberry    Mon Aug 04, 2008 09:49 
   Predictions     Bliss    Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:25 
 10   Bliss is Ignorance.     Ignorance is Bliss.    Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:23 
 11   I like it     Trooth Sayer    Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:29 
 12   Distorting the trooth     Peer Reviewer    Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:45 
 13   "like minded sit around agreeing"     Newby    Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:00 
 14   History lesson for the uninitiated     Red Baron    Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:54 
 15   Banned Hammond.     AT    Mon Aug 04, 2008 13:07 
 16   Lets play Misleading Argument Bingo!     Boyd    Mon Aug 04, 2008 17:21 
 17   Good on you Boyd.     Mell O    Mon Aug 04, 2008 17:45 
 18   climate camp     I'm an alter ego    Mon Aug 04, 2008 23:15 
 19   denial     Anarchist606    Tue Aug 05, 2008 14:23 
 20   Denial, yes your absolutely right     I'm still wating    Tue Aug 05, 2008 15:36 
 21   Not an argument about an "issue"     Bliss    Tue Aug 05, 2008 15:37 
 22   Arrogant C O N S U M E R S!     Sickened.    Tue Aug 05, 2008 17:26 
 23   fictions about climate change     The Proff    Tue Aug 05, 2008 19:02 
 24   Sickening?     Art    Tue Aug 05, 2008 19:17 
 25   Evidence?     The Proff    Tue Aug 05, 2008 21:17 
 26   just plain wrong     art    Tue Aug 05, 2008 21:43 
 27   Monckton? Ha!     The Proff    Wed Aug 06, 2008 08:27 
 28   Same old rubbish     Sy    Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:02 
 29   Non-contributing .................. 'users'     YAWN/    Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:48 
 30   That is rich!     gecko    Wed Aug 06, 2008 14:16 
 31   Pathetic     RB    Wed Aug 06, 2008 14:33 
 32   WWF International Arctic Programme     Dee Shawcross.    Wed Aug 06, 2008 15:10 
 33   WHY SO much trollery around an important topic?     Book Reviewer    Wed Aug 06, 2008 15:20 
 34   United Nations Environment Program.     Concerned mum    Wed Aug 06, 2008 15:33 
 35   Human Development Report 2007/2008.     Concerned mum.    Wed Aug 06, 2008 15:54 
 36   Arctic ice continues to thin.     Mell O    Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:06 
 37   NERC 2008     Jo    Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:47 
 38   Monckton, Shmonkton     The Proff    Wed Aug 06, 2008 17:04 
 39   Bring back that arch-troll Hammond!     dances with trolls.    Wed Aug 06, 2008 17:33 
 40   debunk this then     kem    Wed Aug 06, 2008 18:48 
 41   What is it?     Ab    Wed Aug 06, 2008 18:55 
 42   man made shit hits the fan     (*.*)    Wed Aug 06, 2008 19:24 
 43   Real science rests on a solid bedrock of scepticism     Art    Wed Aug 06, 2008 19:38 
 44   IRIN News     Onken    Wed Aug 06, 2008 20:36 
 45   More     Art    Wed Aug 06, 2008 20:56 
 46   Lisa Gray-Garcia     Jasper    Wed Aug 06, 2008 20:59 
 47   Slow Death by Global Warming     Mell O    Wed Aug 06, 2008 21:08 
 48   Indigenous Peoples and Climate Change: A Human Rights Issue     Martin    Wed Aug 06, 2008 21:28 
 49   Tibetan plateau melts in the face of climate change.     Q    Wed Aug 06, 2008 21:50 
 50   Climate, politics, economics – a chance to chat about it?     vol    Wed Aug 06, 2008 22:39 
 51   More Monckton Madness     Sy    Thu Aug 07, 2008 08:01 
 52   Sy and spin     Ab    Thu Aug 07, 2008 09:59 
 53   Monckton Bunkton     The Proff    Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:32 
 54   Further POV evidence     Bliss    Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:40 
 55   Tabletop Mountain     Art    Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:50 
 56   Why are blokes so aggressive and abusive?     Pilly    Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:54 
 57   The obsession with peer review     jhnqS    Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:08 
 58   For the Prof(f)     Gecko    Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:14 
 59   Bookend     The Proff    Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:22 
 60   Agreed Pilly     Bliss    Thu Aug 07, 2008 13:03 
 61   I beg your pardon...     The Proff    Thu Aug 07, 2008 13:52 
 62   For Proff     Gecko    Thu Aug 07, 2008 13:54 
 63   A reply.     The Proff    Thu Aug 07, 2008 14:11 
 64   Better, unbiased field of view from amazon     WiFi    Thu Aug 07, 2008 14:55 
 65   Tide is Rising     The Proff    Thu Aug 07, 2008 15:14 
 66   Well Pardom me!!!     Gecko    Thu Aug 07, 2008 15:40 
 67   Proff     Bliss    Thu Aug 07, 2008 15:49 
 68   Article and more.     The Proff    Thu Aug 07, 2008 16:12 
 69   the tide is ?     ljkqe    Thu Aug 07, 2008 16:24 
 70   Question all.     The Proff    Thu Aug 07, 2008 17:06 
 71   Who means what by 90%?     Gecko    Thu Aug 07, 2008 18:51 
 72   give us a %?     The Proff    Thu Aug 07, 2008 19:32 
 73   Statistical probability     Art    Thu Aug 07, 2008 19:39 
 74   Percentages     Gecko    Thu Aug 07, 2008 22:32 
 75   I've seen the effects of climate change - and if people won't face up to it, governments must make t     Tahmima Anam    Fri Aug 08, 2008 07:37 
 76   Do ordinary people count?     Toodle oo    Fri Aug 08, 2008 08:04 
 77   Good God!     Art    Fri Aug 08, 2008 09:13 
 78   % chance     The Proff    Fri Aug 08, 2008 09:14 
 79   Height above SL     Bliss    Fri Aug 08, 2008 09:27 
 80   toodoolo     3w434    Fri Aug 08, 2008 09:32 
 81   Peiser     Sy    Fri Aug 08, 2008 09:35 
 82   put up or shut up.     Anarchist606    Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:55 
 83   %'s     Gecko    Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:16 
 84   % question     The Proff    Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:30 
 85   For Sy     WiFi    Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:37 
 86   For Prof(f)     Gecko    Fri Aug 08, 2008 13:03 
 87   answers my question     The Proff    Fri Aug 08, 2008 13:34 
 88   lawsuits     Art    Fri Aug 08, 2008 14:44 
 89   What if?     Gory future.    Fri Aug 08, 2008 15:18 
 90   On using material which the author has already retracted     Sy    Fri Aug 08, 2008 15:59 
 91   For Proff     Gecko    Fri Aug 08, 2008 16:21 
 92   For Proff again     Gecko    Fri Aug 08, 2008 16:35 
 93   Beliefs, realism and change     Sy    Fri Aug 08, 2008 17:10 
 94   An Inconvenient Court Ruling     Sy    Fri Aug 08, 2008 18:03 
 95   A proposal     Bertram    Fri Aug 08, 2008 20:04 
 96   bertrum     Bliss    Fri Aug 08, 2008 22:41 
 97   For Bliss.     Bertram    Fri Aug 08, 2008 23:30 
 98   What constitutes a lie Bertram?     Bliss    Sat Aug 09, 2008 06:42 
 99   Seconded     Mell O    Sat Aug 09, 2008 06:46 
 100   The claiment won - Gore lost.     Art    Sat Aug 09, 2008 06:57 
 101   Bertrams proposal.     Sue R    Sat Aug 09, 2008 08:19 
 102   unbelievable!     Art    Sat Aug 09, 2008 08:20 
 103   Communication or Ex-communication? - our choice     Ab    Sat Aug 09, 2008 09:03 
 104   The film is in schools now. Obviously the denialists won the case to stop this happening.     Sy    Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:59 
 105   Hiding inaccurate articles/comments     imcvol    Sat Aug 09, 2008 13:43 
 106   Warmer weather produces more intense rainfall: study     Emma    Sat Aug 09, 2008 15:23 
 107   censorship and imcvols     iuhijqa    Sat Aug 09, 2008 16:46 
 108   On being Open Minded     Sy    Sat Aug 09, 2008 18:32 
 109   for Sy     qosgwe    Sat Aug 09, 2008 20:06 
 110   for Sy     Art    Sun Aug 10, 2008 08:04 
 111   no censorship, but maybe some change...     nickleberry    Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:32 
 112   new rules?     Art    Sun Aug 10, 2008 16:57 
 113   hidden comments     imcvol    Mon Aug 11, 2008 07:27 
 114   many thanks imcvol     Art    Mon Aug 11, 2008 09:06 
 115   What it said     oiQJE    Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:27 
 116   Publish after preview     EMO    Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:49 
 117   Yes that was it - thanks     Art    Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:50 
 118   to Art/oiQJE     imcvol2    Mon Aug 11, 2008 15:31 
 119   This used to be a good space!     Matt B    Mon Aug 11, 2008 17:47 
 120   sad     ljkneaf    Mon Aug 11, 2008 21:01 
 121   better site     poijgloj    Tue Aug 12, 2008 09:07 
 122   Practise what you preach ..............     Mell O    Tue Aug 12, 2008 09:25 
 123   for Mell O     jhbvaefhb    Tue Aug 12, 2008 09:43 
 124   No offence taken.     Mell O    Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:15 
 125   Monitoring the Atlantic Conveyor     ufokuwrtyfwui5fyu,vgfo,eruyvb    Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:26 
 126   censorship, hidden comments etc     imcvol    Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:18 
 127   Climate change.     Mello O    Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:05 
 128   that comment     iahsdf    Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:16 
 129   Is the GW/CC debate overshadowing direct environmental issues....     who's brat.    Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:43 
 130   Good to hear     Art    Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:59 
 131   Some good links here     Mell O    Tue Aug 12, 2008 13:04 
 132   Climate Change Accelerates     James Russell    Tue Aug 12, 2008 13:18 
 133   Excellent cut and paste     Ab    Tue Aug 12, 2008 16:01 
 134   Really????     Historic    Tue Aug 12, 2008 16:59 
 135   Lol     Sy    Tue Aug 12, 2008 17:18 
 136   What the **** is happening?     Confused    Tue Aug 12, 2008 17:31 
 137   artic ice     Joe Bloggs    Tue Aug 12, 2008 19:09 


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