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Global Warming Denial is Dangerous Creationsim

category bristol | the environment | opinion/analysis author Monday August 11, 2008 20:14author by Anarchist606 Report this post to the editors

And debate with them is a pointless exercise

I have noticed huge debates breaking out on a couple of websites over global warming and the truth of it, I have also been spending (far too much) time of late reading about Creationism – the psudo-science idea pushed with a fanatical intensity by religious fundamentalists that the earth and all living things were created by god and thus evolution is not true. What has become increasingly obvious to me is that the denial of global warming and the denial of evolution are pretty much the same thing – a comfort-blanket against reality and so it is pointless debating with advocates of either point of view.

Arctic ice is melting - but don't worry, some random guy who works for an oil lobby firm says it is going to be ok...
Arctic ice is melting - but don't worry, some random guy who works for an oil lobby firm says it is going to be ok...

The problem is that while Creationists might mess up the education of school kids thanks to their meddling, Global Warming Denialists may kill millions of people with their need to avoid reality.

First of it is worth saying that both global warming and evolution are hugely complex areas of research where daily, thousands scientists debate, argue and research. However in both of these areas there is a broad consensus of what is happening and the debate is essentially over the details. It is also the case that most of us are not in a position to judge much of the data and need to rely on others to filter and interpret it for us. For this we tend to turn to people who specialise in this area. For understanding how life works we ask biologists and to understand the climate we ask climatologists.

Global Warming is scary thing. Nobody knows what will really happen as our industrial society is conducting a huge experiment right here and right now and the predicted results vary – it could be not so bad or it could be very, very bad. I am sure you have read the news and don't need me to spell it out but worse case scenarios involve the word 'extinct' for a huge number of species – us included. Do we feel lucky?

It is understandable why the denialist message is so seductive; they are telling us we can have our cake and eat it – and we all like cake. The problem is the facts don't fit the cake-fest they advocate. I am not going to try to prove global warming here – because that is my point – trying to prove anything to a Denialist is like trying to prove evolution to a Creationist: impossible because they will not be separated from their comfort-blanket.

Now there are different types of Creationist but basically they believe in the literal truth of the bible, so if it says God created the world and all living things then he did and so evolution is rubbish. Therefore they MUST disprove evolution to hold onto their faith. But evolution has a massive body of evidence and to cut a long story short – is true. Therefore Creationists must battle reality – this is, and can only ever be – an emotional battle. They cannot ever admit they are wrong, for to do so is to unravel their wall of faith. The more they fight, the more emotional energy they have invested in the battle and so the greater the wall becomes.

When you read into Creationism, it is just nuts – preachers trying to lecture palaeontologists on fossil evidence when they can't even grasp the basics of how the scientific method works. Ham-fisted attempts to fake dinosaur/human footprint models (see image below). A joke really.

Despite the fact that there is no controversy over evolution as a whole in science – none at all – the well funded Creationist lobby has achieved huge successes in the PR battle against evolution. This battle exists to satisfy their emotional need, because they have not, nor can ever, win the science battle – because there is way too much evidence against them and none for them. Winning the PR battle does not win the battle for truth. Winning the PR battle messes up the education of school kids as they can change science education policy.

It is the same with Global Warming; it is a younger branch of science than evolution, but still there is almost zero debate within about what is happening and why it is happening. (There is a handful of proper scientists – I count about ten vs thousands who accept it) The Denialists, recurited by the oil industry's careful campaign of disinformation that began over a decade ago have lost the battle for the science but are deep in an emotional bunker, seeing themselves as freedom fighter against the hippies/tree-huggers/veggies/big-government/EU/UN/the left (insert favourite villain here) and for freedom of speech/the right to drive/Clarkson/The Daily Mail (insert valiant cause here). To admit the science even might be a bit right is to hand victory to their hated foes.

The Denialists cannot and will not will the battle in science, and so are fighting a PR battle. Like Creationists, this is an emotional battle – ad not a debate - for in a debate you could present the other side with a killer argument and they would see the logic and evidence and concede. Give a Creationist a dinosaur bone, show a Denialist the melting ice-caps (see image above) and they will fold their arms shake their head and continue to argue; even in the face of reality. As the science catches up with them, they will shift the argument and play ever more complex semantic games, they will cry foul and censorship, compare you to the Nazi's/Stalin and more – anything to avoid the reality that the game is up.

But winning the PR battle in the global warming debate is killing people. While people in Bangladesh drown the Denialists turn, not to climatologists to understand why; but to lawyers, PR men, columnists and corporate lobbyists. They prefer business consultants to 'interpret' the data in a more pleasing way. It is an crazy – seeing a debate on Bristol Indymedia were a business consultant's take on weather data is being held on a pedestal above the painstaking research of thousands of climatologists. It is like being persuaded that the guy who sells the scalpels is better qualified to interpret your CAT scans than the brain surgeon. Isaac Asimov said it best: "Inspect every piece of pseudoscience and you will find a security blanket, a thumb to suck, a skirt to hold. What . . . does the scientist . . . have to offer in exchange? Uncertainty! Insecurity!"

I have no answers of what to do about the Denialists. It is an emotional need they are fulfilling to debate the issue and I would propose leaving them to it, but for the fact that the fog of un-reason they create is clouding others from action. If I thought for one moment there was a real debate to be had, I would happily do so – but there is not. You can't win, not because you are wrong but because they can never admit they are. They hold a different standard of proof to their emotional crutch than they do to reality; as do the Creationists. This 'God of the Gaps' approach where any stumbling of the science results (which is a normal part of research) results in calls for the baby and bathwater to be chucked overboard instantly and yet their psudo-evidence can be sunk over and over and over - and all they will do is shift the argument and play ever more complex semantic games, cry foul and censorship, compare you to the Nazi's/Pol Pot and yell about it being ' conspiracy, a racket and an industry' all the while conveniently forgetting the very real oil industry that really has funded a conspiracy to really create a racket around the issue. And they will go on and on until you get tired on their emotional need to go on and on and interpret your reluctance to keep banging against the brick wall as a victory. It is; a victory over reality. Proof that God planted the dinosaurs to tempt the faithful.

A Bristol University professor and staunch creationist, Stuart Burgess remarked, "There is a case for arguing that Satan has deliberately made modern theoretical physics complicated in order to blind people to the truth of the origins of the universe."

Perhaps the mischievous devil also created Denialists to blind us to the reality of global warming to usher in a second flood as a judgement against the hippies/tree-huggers/veggies/big-government/EU/UN/the left (insert favourite villain here).

More info

The 4 Stages of Global Warming Denial
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/06/4_stages_denial.php

Wikipedia Page on GW Denial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial

While Washington Slept - Investigation into Denial Lobby
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/05/war...Page=

And good for a laugh....
http://www.wikiality.com/Global_warming

Related Link: http://anarchist606.blogspot.com

See!  Proof that evolution is rubbish!  Ha!  Take that you left-leaning hippes!
See! Proof that evolution is rubbish! Ha! Take that you left-leaning hippes!

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   good article     Emma    Mon Aug 11, 2008 20:58 
   better site     podjfvpkjf    Mon Aug 11, 2008 22:37 
   Accuracy and facts?     Mell O    Tue Aug 12, 2008 08:53 
   rarely have i seen a post that made me laugh out loud     Cat    Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:45 
   for 'Cat'     Dog    Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:51 
   Surrey??? Sorry, I'm a Bristol lad     Sy    Tue Aug 12, 2008 14:07 
   The Enviroment Site - nice site, but same debate     EXC    Tue Aug 12, 2008 15:36 
   You wish     Art    Tue Aug 12, 2008 15:56 
   For Art     Sy    Tue Aug 12, 2008 17:02 
 10   A bit more of an open debate here     Art    Tue Aug 12, 2008 17:08 
 11   IPCC quote     Crash    Tue Aug 12, 2008 17:27 
 12   For Dog     cat    Tue Aug 12, 2008 17:44 
 13   for cat     Dog    Tue Aug 12, 2008 18:38 
 14   View from the other side     COzMan    Tue Aug 12, 2008 20:27 
 15   heehee     Lol    Tue Aug 12, 2008 20:35 
 16   For Crash     Art - always up for the unexpected    Tue Aug 12, 2008 20:35 
 17   Slip sliding away     migration    Tue Aug 12, 2008 20:49 
 18   IPCC quote - for Crash     Art    Tue Aug 12, 2008 21:01 
 19   You see...I think my point is made.     Anarchist606    Tue Aug 12, 2008 21:07 
 20   Skull Attack     Art    Wed Aug 13, 2008 05:34 
 21   Anarchist606...     Tory Monarchist    Wed Aug 13, 2008 07:46 
 22   name calling     toe stepper    Wed Aug 13, 2008 09:03 
 23   just to clear a little point     Anarchist606    Wed Aug 13, 2008 09:16 
 24   arguments from beyond the grave     Emma    Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:33 
 25   Art or Science?     nickleberry    Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:50 
 26   Mr     Terry    Wed Aug 13, 2008 13:01 
 27   Take your pick Nick     Art    Wed Aug 13, 2008 13:29 
 28   On being in denial     Joe Bloggs    Wed Aug 13, 2008 13:52 
 29   Must be Art, 'cause it's not Science     nickleberry    Wed Aug 13, 2008 14:02 
 30   Marohasy... Again... Really...     Sy    Wed Aug 13, 2008 14:06 
 31   Iris     joe blog    Wed Aug 13, 2008 14:08 
 32   2002     Joe bloggs    Wed Aug 13, 2008 14:23 
 33   For tel     Joe bloggs    Wed Aug 13, 2008 14:28 
 34   Anyways.     Jake    Wed Aug 13, 2008 14:36 
 35   Nice one     Art    Wed Aug 13, 2008 15:48 
 36   Letter     Ban Ki Moon    Wed Aug 13, 2008 15:59 
 37   The disappearance of the IPCC in disgrace is not only desirable but inevitable.     Art    Wed Aug 13, 2008 16:11 
 38   Iris? Perhaps not.     Emma    Wed Aug 13, 2008 16:14 
 39   Letter     ty    Wed Aug 13, 2008 16:28 
 40   Vincent Gray     ty    Wed Aug 13, 2008 16:44 
 41   for emma     Joe Bloggs    Wed Aug 13, 2008 16:52 
 42   Climate change hysteria will kill millions and based on fake science     www.infowars.com    Wed Aug 13, 2008 17:52 
 43   Who was that?     peer review    Wed Aug 13, 2008 18:00 
 44   Arch-Bishop     Capitool    Wed Aug 13, 2008 19:02 
 45   Arch Bishop capitool     Art    Thu Aug 14, 2008 06:36 
 46   From Infowars link above     Chilling Comment    Thu Aug 14, 2008 06:43 
 47   Beleiever me? Are you quite mad?     Capitool    Thu Aug 14, 2008 08:27 
 48   the gambler scientist     wassinaname    Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:24 
 49   Criticism of Lindzen     Mell O    Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:28 
 50   meanwhile! talking of money!!!!     Art    Thu Aug 14, 2008 14:16 
 51   "Paid his bills by working for a living!"     Capitalist fool    Thu Aug 14, 2008 14:59 
 52   more brains to eat     Joe Bloggs    Thu Aug 14, 2008 15:31 
 53   Hank?     Yawn    Thu Aug 14, 2008 16:28 
 54   Is this not a debate, but a rant?     Emma    Thu Aug 14, 2008 17:06 
 55   For Emma     Mell O    Thu Aug 14, 2008 17:43 
 56   Funny caryings on.     captain Denial.    Thu Aug 14, 2008 18:16 
 57   Read what is there please     Art    Thu Aug 14, 2008 18:45 
 58   "the word on the street"     Street cleaner.    Thu Aug 14, 2008 18:53 
 59   Site of the killer zombie arguments     Crash    Thu Aug 14, 2008 18:56 
 60   Managing denial     Mell O    Thu Aug 14, 2008 21:22 
 61   What actually matters     Joe Bloggs    Thu Aug 14, 2008 22:08 
 62   What REALLY matters.     Mell O    Thu Aug 14, 2008 22:12 
 63   On these two points we must surely agree?     Art    Fri Aug 15, 2008 07:51 
 64   More news     Emma    Fri Aug 15, 2008 09:47 
 65   Interpretation     Art    Fri Aug 15, 2008 15:36 
 66   US Military     Art    Fri Aug 15, 2008 15:40 
 67   Scientists!     Mell O    Fri Aug 15, 2008 15:48 
 68   lab rats     Joe Bloggs    Fri Aug 15, 2008 16:20 
 69   Certainty and Chaos     Sy    Sat Aug 16, 2008 09:59 
 70   sense of humour bypass     Joe Bloggs    Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:43 
 71   90 % - Legitimate concern     Bliss    Sun Aug 17, 2008 05:43 
 72   For Sy     Art    Sun Aug 17, 2008 06:22 
 73   "Climate can and does change rapidly"     Skeptic / Denialist.    Sun Aug 17, 2008 08:56 
 74   hot stuff     katy    Sun Aug 17, 2008 09:00 
 75   where the numbers come from     Sy    Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:30 
 76   I dont get it.     confused again    Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:52 
 77   Waiting Game     Art    Sun Aug 17, 2008 14:45 
 78   Elvis serves Fish and chips?     Art with an F    Sun Aug 17, 2008 15:50 
 79   For Art with an F or whatever     Art    Mon Aug 18, 2008 07:50 
 80   For 'Art' or whoever you are.     STRAWMAN    Mon Aug 18, 2008 08:18 
 81   "Proposing a return to austerity is intelligent?"     ?    Mon Aug 18, 2008 08:49 
 82   Boys will be boys it seems     Bliss    Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:21 
 83   Prepare for global temperature rise of 4C, warns top scientist.     Hot stuff    Mon Aug 18, 2008 13:27 
 84   Global Warming is Accelerating Faster than can be Naturally Repaired     Katy    Mon Aug 18, 2008 14:10 
 85   Climate Change in Action in Greenland     STRAWMAN    Mon Aug 18, 2008 14:21 
 86   For Hot stuff     Ab    Mon Aug 18, 2008 17:37 
 87   For Katy and Strawman     Ab    Mon Aug 18, 2008 17:46 
 88   To 'Ab'     Katy    Mon Aug 18, 2008 19:57 
 89   Nice if it were true     Ab    Tue Aug 19, 2008 06:36 
 90   Competitive?     Paranoid or Egoistic?    Tue Aug 19, 2008 07:23 
 91   Well said Ab     Art    Tue Aug 19, 2008 08:09 
 92   not competitive here     Joe Bloggs    Tue Aug 19, 2008 15:23 
 93   competitive yah dee yah dee yah     dances with trolls    Tue Aug 19, 2008 15:38 
 94   who     Joe Bloggs    Tue Aug 19, 2008 16:23 
 95   A message to the climate sceptics     Mell O    Wed Aug 20, 2008 09:58 
 96   Act now?     Art    Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:01 
 97   WEST AFRICA: Coastline to be submerged by 2099     Mell O    Mon Aug 25, 2008 18:18 


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