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“Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare.

category bristol | community | opinion/analysis author Tuesday October 07, 2008 08:38author by Parky Report this post to the editors


Capitalism is in crisis and we are not any closer to articulating what an alternative might look like. Here in Bristol we should be talking and thinking about alternative economic systems.

If we are heading towards a serious economic crisis then this is the moment when anarchists need to start demonstrating alternative ways of doing things.


1) How many of those who consider yourselves anarchists have read, and broadly support the notions of PARECON? (I am not particularly interested in hearing from the capitalists - I already know what you think!)

Participatory economics, often abbreviated parecon, is a proposed economic system that uses participatory decision making as an economic mechanism to guide the production, consumption and allocation of resources in a given society. Proposed as an alternative to contemporary capitalist market economies and also an alternative to centrally planned socialism or coordinatorism, it is described as "an anarchistic economic vision",[1] although it could be considered a form of socialism as under parecon, the means of production are owned by the workers. It emerged from the work of activist and political theorist Michael Albert and of radical economist Robin Hahnel, beginning in the 1980s and 1990s.

The underlying values that parecon seeks to implement are equity, solidarity, diversity, workers' self-management and efficiency. (Efficiency here means accomplishing goals without wasting valued assets.) It proposes to attain these ends mainly through the following principles and institutions:

* workers' and consumers' councils utilizing self-managerial methods for decision making,
* balanced job complexes,
* remuneration according to effort and sacrifice, and
* participatory planning.

Albert and Hahnel stress that parecon is only meant to address an alternative economic theory and must be accompanied by equally important alternative visions in the fields of politics, culture and kinship. The authors have also discussed elements of anarchism in the field of politics, polyculturalism in the field of culture, and feminism in the field of family and gender relations as being possible foundations for future alternative visions in these other spheres of society. Stephen R. Shalom has begun work on a participatory political vision he calls "parpolity".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_economics

2) How many of you are involved with, or would like to get involved in community supported agriculture?

Community supported agriculture generally is the practice of focusing on the production of high quality foods using organic or biodynamic farming methods. This kind of farming operates with a much greater-than-usual degree of involvement of consumers and other stakeholders — resulting in a stronger than usual consumer-producer relationship. The core design includes developing a cohesive consumer group that is willing to fund a whole season’s budget in order to get quality foods. The system has many variations on how the farm budget is supported by the consumers and how the producers then deliver the foods. By CSA theory, the more a farm embraces whole-farm, whole-budget support, the more it can focus on quality and reduce the risk of food waste or financial loss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-supported_agricu...lture

If more than five people leave positive comments then we could arrange a meeting to chat about these issues?

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Good to see a sensible discussion - but why select your audience?     Che    Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:22 
   Constructive input welcomed     Parky    Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:51 
   Community supported agriculture     Parky    Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:23 
   Forget this     Parky    Tue Oct 07, 2008 14:35 
   Restricted topic     imcvol    Tue Oct 07, 2008 15:29 
   Done it and got T shirt     five people    Tue Oct 07, 2008 16:14 
   Call it what you like, it's terminal     Jasmaheen    Wed Oct 08, 2008 09:26 
   Opinion     Che    Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:53 
   Discussion group     nickleberry    Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:05 
 10   What indymedia is;     IMC'er    Wed Oct 08, 2008 15:35 
 11   Back on topic     Parky    Wed Oct 08, 2008 16:11 
 12   What about number 10 then     Yawn    Wed Oct 08, 2008 16:56 
 13   Back on topic - again     Parky    Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:20 
 14   Non Market?     Che    Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:16 
 15   nice try and goodluck     socialite    Thu Oct 09, 2008 13:59 
 16   Loss of Cohesion     Jasmaheen    Thu Oct 09, 2008 14:31 
 17   So what do you think economics should look like?     Parky    Thu Oct 09, 2008 15:06 
 18   what i think economics should look like     socialite    Thu Oct 09, 2008 17:21 
 19   For Jas     Che    Thu Oct 09, 2008 17:26 
 20   For Parky     Che    Thu Oct 09, 2008 17:42 
 21   Not here     @work    Thu Oct 09, 2008 18:49 
 22   This is the basics of the model     Parecon info    Thu Oct 09, 2008 19:56 
 23   For @work     Che    Thu Oct 09, 2008 20:05 
 24   For 'che'     @work    Thu Oct 09, 2008 21:22 
 25   The paracon idea     Che    Thu Oct 09, 2008 21:49 
 26   Serious @work?     Che    Fri Oct 10, 2008 07:15 
 27   Go and watch the economy collapse     Punky    Fri Oct 10, 2008 08:22 
 28   communication     @work    Fri Oct 10, 2008 09:00 
 29   Why     punky    Fri Oct 10, 2008 09:54 
 30   Organic Economies     Boyd    Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:21 
 31   moderating discussions     imcvol    Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:33 
 32   my view     five people    Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:37 
 33   Action without vision?     Parky    Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:57 
 34   Good article from Canada     Che    Fri Oct 10, 2008 13:15 
 35   Dream On     Jasmaheen    Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:28 
 36   Sheltered     Che    Fri Oct 10, 2008 17:11 
 37   Human nature?     nickleberry    Fri Oct 10, 2008 17:39 
 38   asssumptions     puzzled    Fri Oct 10, 2008 17:43 
 39   In terms of 'human nature' - whatever that means.     Pro alternatives    Fri Oct 10, 2008 18:02 
 40   Dream Off     Boyd    Fri Oct 10, 2008 18:03 
 41   For puzzled     Che    Fri Oct 10, 2008 21:22 
 42   surprise? ............ yawn     puzzled    Fri Oct 10, 2008 21:36 
 43   For Boyd     Che    Fri Oct 10, 2008 22:28 
 44   intelligence?     she    Sat Oct 11, 2008 06:17 
 45   Intelligence     five people    Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:11 
 46   Cuba?     Bobby    Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:25 
 47   Human Nature     Sy    Sat Oct 11, 2008 15:44 
 48   you just proved my point ................     she    Sat Oct 11, 2008 17:09 
 49   human nature     five people    Sat Oct 11, 2008 19:32 
 50   Agree - they are hardly good examples of "alternatives"     Che    Sun Oct 12, 2008 08:34 
 51   Alternative systems     jelly been    Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:09 
 52   Can we please stay on topic!     Che    Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:38 
 53   You are wrong yet again Hammond.     Ray    Sun Oct 12, 2008 13:52 
 54   Alternatives to capitalism     NEW CAPITALIST BIM EDITOR - MODERATOR?    Sun Oct 12, 2008 14:50 
 55   off-topic     on-topic    Sun Oct 12, 2008 15:05 
 56   Discuss "What is capitalism"? yes sir!!     victorian schoolmaster    Sun Oct 12, 2008 15:08 
 57   flamewars     anarchistic    Sun Oct 12, 2008 15:11 
 58   Thank you.     Che    Mon Oct 13, 2008 08:52 
 59   De-central planning     Bobby    Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:08 
 60   Parecon     Che    Tue Oct 14, 2008 06:22 
 61   Let me explain for you.     Parky    Tue Oct 14, 2008 09:26 
 62   OK     Che    Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:12 
 63   Simple     Parky    Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:13 
 64   ?     five people    Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:44 
 65   Ok But     Che    Tue Oct 14, 2008 14:26 
 66   Blackmarket problem     Parky    Tue Oct 14, 2008 14:40 
 67   bm     five people    Tue Oct 14, 2008 16:23 
 68   boring     juan q    Tue Oct 14, 2008 22:07 
 69   So boring Jaun........     Che    Wed Oct 15, 2008 07:08 
 70   Thanks     Parky    Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:48 
 71   So, wheres the "VISION" thingy?     Juan    Wed Oct 15, 2008 14:54 
 72   I would disagree....     Che    Thu Oct 16, 2008 08:34 
 73   Externality     Parky    Thu Oct 16, 2008 09:24 
 74   We are worthy!     no anarcholitism    Thu Oct 16, 2008 13:14 
 75   Left leaning Wiki     Che    Thu Oct 16, 2008 13:46 
 76   Mainstream externality definition     Parky    Thu Oct 16, 2008 14:49 
 77   internal medicine     nickleberry    Thu Oct 16, 2008 15:07 
 78   interesting points     Che    Thu Oct 16, 2008 18:15 
 79   Closed circles?????     Juan P    Fri Oct 17, 2008 04:29 
 80   to Juan ..........with love     no anarcholitism    Sat Oct 18, 2008 23:06 
 81   Sorry if I presumed wrongly.     Juan P    Sun Oct 19, 2008 15:22 
 82   reasoned debate?     do or die    Sun Oct 19, 2008 17:52 
 83   Stern report "We have to do Something!! The sky is falling!!     Che    Mon Oct 20, 2008 09:42 
 84   more evidence is in     Emma    Fri Oct 24, 2008 20:04 


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